• G
      Participant
      Chirps: 6
      If I can't get a good look at a bird, I'll likely have trouble identifying it. But I'm pretty confident in my crow spotting abilities. The contempt I hold for brown-headed cowbirds definitely keeps me on the lookout for their distinguishing traits, so I'm at least good at differentiating them from other birds.
    • Erin
      Participant
      Chirps: 7
      I am confident that I can distinguish crows from ravens and other black birds, but if I lived where there were crows and ravens together, I would not be so confident in flight, that's for sure.
    • Lori
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      Still Learning, thus this class, BUT.. Thanks to this course I am much more confident now. I look at eyes, wings, i.e. 4 or 5 pointed or rounded, iridescent color as opposed to not, black eyes. Enjoying the course.
    • Claire
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      There was brief mention that a crow spotted in Europe is a Rook. As a UK resident I think I can relate the details in the course to crows, but is this accurate/possible and if neither what species and facts should I be learning?
      • Thanks for the question. Corvids around the world vary in size, shape, and color. The Crow, Not Crow Snap ID isn't specifically designed to help you learn corvid vs. non corvid but it could help you somewhat.  This course is specifically about one species: American Crows. People shouldn't assume a fact about an American Crow would also be true about jackdaws, rooks, ravens, other crow species etc. For instance the breeding system varies from species to species. American Crows are socially monogamous and do cooperative breeding but other species of corvids that isn't often the case. Visually there are differences in ever species. Such as we are teaching about how the throat feathers on an American Crow differ from throat feathers on a Common Raven. You won't come across an American Crow in the UK so learning the differences between American Crow and Common Raven won't help you in UK but will help you if you visit USA.  Even in the USA American Crow differs from Fish Crow in various ways such as how the primary feathers appear flight. For visual identification of UK corvid species this won't help. It  might help if you were at a level of not knowing the difference between a starling and a corvid and a sparrow. American Crows are not the same species as a rook so there will be many differences, however not as many differences as between a rook and a sparrow or a rook and a starling.
    • sybil
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      I have learned to distinguish crows from other black birds online, but out of doors, I'm not so sure.  We only have a few crows around us, but I feed them every day so I am able to see their black eyes, beaks, rounded feathers and squarer tails.  Learning this much has been very interesting.   Thank you for the course,  Wendy
    • I am confident in distinguishing crows from other blackbirds overall. It is a little more difficult in flight, but it's much easier to tell the American Crow apart from other blackbird species in general, such as the Common Grackle or Red-Winged Blackbird. I can distinguish an American Crow and Common Raven up close fairly quickly, but it's of course tougher in the field. This lesson has helped me reinforce the differences between these two species, and I will continue practicing in the field to differentiate crows and ravens (especially in-flight profile, I've been using mostly that along with vocal and behavioral cues to distinguish them when the opportunity presents itself).
    • Amy
      Participant
      Chirps: 7
      I am confident with my abilities to distinguish the American Crow from other birds that might share some of its traits. Tips: Look for additional colors/patterns. Some birds have shiny or different-looking feathers from the crow ( raven, grackle), or different colors ( blackbird, bronzed cowbird).
    • Ellen
      Participant
      Chirps: 10
      I can mostly tell crows apart from other "black birds", usually by checking the tail (in the case of grackles) or looking for a color other than black on the bird (Red-wings, cowbirds). One tip for separating grackles from Corvids is iridescence - the black on a grackle is not a true black but is iridescent and shines with blues and greens in direct sunlight (beautiful). Grackles and other blackbirds also have a light- or white-colored iris, unlike crows and ravens which have dark irises (admittedly, you do need to be closer to the bird to see the iris color, but these birds often land on the ground or perch in trees which makes identifying iris color simpler). I live in central NC but often visit the Outer Banks of NC. Both American and Fish Crows occur in the Outer Banks, with Fish Crows more common. Now, those two species are very hard to tell apart. The best way I know to tell the difference is voice - they sound quite different, but doesn't help when the crow flying by or perched is silent. I know the Fish Crow is smaller than the American Crow, but that is only useful if one happens to see both species next to each other (that doesn't happen, or at least has never happened for me). Any additional tips for identifying these 2 species would help.
      • Sound is certainly the best way to tell apart American Crows vs. Fish Crows as you have already pointed out. Even experts sometimes cannot tell these species apart visually unless they have them 'in the hand'. From the instructor: Fish Crows are a bit more glossy purple, but  this difference is very difficult to detect. Fish Crows have more slender bills and feet than American Crows. (Foot size is especially noticeable when contrasted against the large-footed south Florida race of the American Crow, C. b. pascuus.)  But bill size varies quite a bit in American Crows, with males having larger bills. A small billed female American Crow can have the same look in the face as a Fish Crow. Fish Crows show a shorter legged look when walking on the ground.  The "thigh" (actually the tibiotarsus) shows less prominently than is typical with an American Crow. The feathers on the upper back of American Crows show a decidedly "ringed" or "scaled" effect not shown by Fish Crows.  This character is especially obvious when the crow is between the sun and the observer. The upper back feathers of Fish Crows are more lax at the tips (without barbs holding them together), and consequently the upper back is without rings. In fact, on the upper back no individual feathers can be distinguished.  See if you can detect this difference on the head shots at the top of the page.  (The exposure of the shots is very different, but the effect is still there.) The "Wing Formula" differs between the species.  The outermost primaries on the wings are of different proportions.   On a bird in the hand these can be measured easily, but they are not easily seen in the field.  Primaries (the feathers that come out of the hand part of the wing) are numbered starting from the inside of the wing, and in crows the outermost one is primary number 10.  In Fish Crows, the 9th primary (p9) is the same size as, or is slightly longer than the 5th primary (p5), while in American Crows p5 is markedly longer than p9.   The effect of this differences is that the Fish Crow wing is somewhat more pointed in appearance. This difference is hard to see in the field and is not definitive.  It should be used as an indication only.  Molt and individual wear can give misleading impressions. Fish Crows have a faster wingbeat than American Crows.  In an area where both species occur the difference in wingbeat frequency can be an indication of the species, but this is not a definitive character.  Not all crows of a given species fly at the same wingbeat rate.  Juvenile and yearling American Crows usually fly with a faster beat rate than do adults (just not as efficient fliers?), and molt or feather wear can affect the rate too.  And sometimes crows are just more in a hurry than at other times. Fish Crows use a different posture for calling than American Crows. Fish Crows tend to stay more hunched and shorter necked, and typically fluff their throat feathers. American Crows tend to stretch their necks a bit, and do not substantially fluff their throat feathers. American Crows molt earlier than Fish Crows.  During the summer the two species can be distinguished by their stages of molt.  In much of their range American Crows breed a month or more earlier than Fish Crows (Johnston 1961, The biosystematics of American crows, Univ. of Washington Press; Clapp and Banks 1993, Raven 64: 90-98; McGowan 2001, Fish Crow (Corvus ossifragus) in Birds of North America, No. 589).   In upstate New York American Crows start incubation the first week of April, while Fish Crows don't start until May.  Most birds do not molt until they are finished breeding, and the molting schedules of the two crows reflect the month difference in their breeding schedule.  The earliest Ithaca American Crows (non-breeders and those whose nests have failed) will start molting in June and will be finished by the end of September.  Ithaca Fish Crows, on the other hand, start molting in late July and don't finish until October.  Source: https://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/FishCrow.htm
    • joan
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      Mostly confident.  Check out tails
    • Raven
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      • We don't get any visits from ravens where I live. The only other black (looking) birds we have around here are grackles. There are some crows that visit every so often -- they usually fly over in groups. Very sociable they are. Their calls give them away to their presence. I love all corvids, and I love to see crows around. My name is Raven, so I guess I'm biased for this bird species.
    • Tom
      Participant
      Chirps: 7
      I am confident in my ability to distinguish crows from ravens and other birds with superficial similarities, but not confident in identifying all of the non-corvid 'blackbirds' yet. I am hopeful that this will come with more practice.
    • MADELINE
      Participant
      Chirps: 4
      This is going fine but I will be d..d if I can get to the next lesson!!! Im cawing my head off.
    • Sallie
      Participant
      Chirps: 11
      I'm not that confident in my ability to identify the American Crow yet.  However, I always look at the beak and the tail feathers when I see a Crow.  The beak on the Crow seems less pointed and "chubbier" than the beak a lot of black birds have.
    • nancy
      Participant
      Chirps: 2
      I feel confident that I can distinguish between Crows and Ravens.  Not sure I've seen a Grackle.  But I'll look for the yellow eyes.
    • Fredrick
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      Many of the discussants noted the yellow eye color of the grackles and other non-crows. In addition, in the first lesson, I noted that some of the Crows have squared-off tails rather than rounded.
    • Karen
      Participant
      Chirps: 3
      No. I live in an area where skies are often gray, so these perfect photos are not what I usually see. I have never seen a Brewer's Blackbird. I have to travel a long way for Boat-tailed or Great-tailed Grackles. My binoculars rarely give me a look at the eye which helps with Grackle ID, and I have great binoculars. Birds in flight will always be a struggle and with Crows there is the need to learn wing motion to decide if you have a distant crow or a raptor.  So, no confidence with flight.  Of the birds you selected we get cowbirds, red-wings, Common Grackles, Crows.
      • Sallie
        Participant
        Chirps: 11
        You bought up a good point about the binoculars.  The pair I have aren't; that good for seeing and identifying birds, or maybe it's my inability.  I'm going to try to get a good powerful set of binoculars. Thanks for bring that to mind.
    • Judy
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      I struggle with wing and tail shapes when I can't see a grackle's color or eye
    • Karen
      Participant
      Chirps: 3
      I don't get opportunities for Ravens around here. But I know most of the different characteristics. My issue is always the bird in flight. The pointier wing is new to me. Still working on the tail shape and neck differences. I ID more by sound when I bird and I have a lot to learn
      • Tom
        Participant
        Chirps: 7
        Birding by sound is a challenge for me, unless it's a species that I encounter very frequently. Any tips for learning by ear? Happy birding!
    • kathleen
      Participant
      Chirps: 2
      If I can’t see the bird I can usually tell by the call.  Wings, tails, beak, ruff all help in distinguishing between the crow and the raven.  Between the Corvid and other black birds, no contest.
    • Though I got 100% on all the quizzes, I still tend to second guess myself with the crows vs. ravens. I feel sitting and watching their mannerisms has helped. For example how their heads move when they are making vocalizations. The pointy all around and throat feather clues are big takeaways from this lesson.
      • FYI to everyone: In all our ID courses make sure to click "replay" on the Snap IDs as each time it will give you new match ups and pull in some photos you haven't seen yet. I suggest in any course that has a Snap ID play that one over and over as it helps to train your brain.
    • Jessica Kaplan
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      I still feel uncertain differentiating between crows and ravens when I see them flying or from a short distance.
      • Tom
        Participant
        Chirps: 7
        A couple things that I've found helpful is flight pattern and wing shape. It seems that crows have a 'rowing' wing stroke with rounded wings and seldom fly without flapping, while ravens are very red-tailed-hawk-like in the air: more pointed wingtips, infrequent wingbeats and much more likely to soar. Hope that helps : ) Happy birding!
    • Alan
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      Most of the black birds and grackles have light colored eyes. While the crow has dark eyes.
    • sandra
      Participant
      Chirps: 2
      ravens usually hang out at higher elevations in Oregon
      • Chelsea
        Participant
        Chirps: 6
        Ravens abound here in Colorado, as well.
    • James
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      This one was easy. I had a much harder time with the first one, crows vs ravens. Even knowing the distinction between tail shape and number of “fingers”, I missed several.
    • Sara
      Participant
      Chirps: 5
      Yes, I found it much more challenging to distinguish them from pictures of ravens.