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Bird AcademyBird AcademyWhat was most interesting or surprising to you about the crow research team’s methods?You must be enrolled in the course to reply to this topic.
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I wasn't aware of the extent to which you study individual crows and how they interact in group settings. It sounds almost anthropological!
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The fact that the crows have to be retagged given that they live as long as they do. I had no idea crows could live up to 19 years or more.
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I'm wondering if taking the nestlings to tag and draw blood causes the parents to be distrustful of the researchers.
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The blue eyes on the babies was the most interesting for me. Also the greying feathers with age.
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Longevity of the crow and the fact that you use multiple ID tools.
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Question- When you find one nest how big of a radius do you search for another? Since they live in groups I am wondering how far apart they nest. Could it have something to do with how far they can hear ?
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I was surprised to learn they use three different methods of identification and that the tag and bands actually wear off over time. It makes sense now; that possibility just never came to mind.
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Me too!
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That picking them from the nest isn't contributing to the mother rejecting the babies.
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Amen!!
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I was surprised how much i.d. a bird could carry (bands, wing tag, radio transmitter) before it would be considered a burden to that bird. Do those crows get targeted as prey more easily by raptors? Because I notice them more readily because of the i.d. Some of them look like very peculiar crows with those extra “field marks.”
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NOTE: I just read Elizabeth’s 7/7/2025 post on this page that provides additional information from Dr. McGowan that answers my question. The answer being that it does not ”appear” to be true that tagged crows are attacked as prey more often than the untagged.
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I found it so lovable and fascinating that you study the crows as individuals, and I am excited to learn more about the things you can learn by studying the crows this way. I love the stories for each of the crows too, and I am also pleased to hear that some of them live pretty long lives.
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How they band the birds in several different ways.
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That they use 3 different tags on the crow..including the wing.
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The large plastic tags for long distance. Do these tags impact the bird's ability to fly?
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ElizabethBird AcademyHere is some additional information from Dr. McGowan about tagging crows:
“Don't the tags and bands hurt the birds?
No. They are designed to be as innocuous as possible. Birds' "hands" are connected to their shoulders by a flap of skin (called a propatagium or simply patagium) that makes up the front edge of the wing. The flap is relatively thin, contains no muscle and only a few blood vessels. The tags are attached by a small piece of nylon sticking through the patagium. The ends of the nylon pin are melted to hold the tag on (with washers in place to decrease abrasion on both sides of the wing), and the tag sits on top of the wing. The tag does not interfere with any movement and does not pinch or rub any skin. Crows often preen the tags into place just like a feather. When I pierce the patagium to attach a tag the crow usually does not even flinch. They get more agitated when I measure their tail than when I stick in the pins.
Such obvious markers seem like they must increase the likelihood that predators will attack the crows or that other crows will shun them, don't they? To the best of my ability to detect it though, neither thing appears to be true. Unfortunately I cannot make direct comparisons on the survival of tagged and untagged crows because survival cannot be determined without marked individuals! I can say, however, that survival of tagged crows is extremely high. Fully half of all young crows that I mark in the nest are alive one year later. That may seem like a low survival rate, but in fact it is one of the highest known for birds! Breeder survival is on the order of 93% per year, again an incredibly high survival rate for birds. (See McGowan 2001 for published survival rates.)
Crows with tags do not appear to be at any disadvantage in relations with other crows either. Again, it is impossible to have comparison data on unmarked crows, but tagged crows are accepted perfectly fine into their family units. They do not seem to be more involved than unmarked crows in fights and chases in big flocks (either as the pursuer or pursuee). And, they DO successfully compete for breeding spots. I have had over 75 tagged individuals successfully become breeders in my study.
No scientist manipulates their study subjects in any way without a great deal of thought and concern. Every researcher at a public institution in this country must have their proposed protocol approved by their Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (my approved protocol number at Cornell is 88-210-04). But quite apart from the regulations and laws, good science requires that animals under study are interfered with as little as possible. And that is on top of the personal ethical decisions that each researcher must make about their comfort level with any action taken (or not). In my study I am interested in keeping the crows alive and visible, and if I knew that anything I was doing adversely affected the birds I would stop. I am fortunate to be able to state that the colleague who taught me the marking technique I use is very active in the Humane Society and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Although I made my own evaluations, it seemed to me that her standards were likely to have been even more stringent than my own. I reasoned that if she was happy with the technique, then I probably would be too. And I have been.” -
First, I found it amazing that you and your team could locate the crow nests each year. Interesting that the crow’s nests were always at the tippy top of the trees and that you would climb up and could retrieve the babies to tag them. Using different size tags was a fantastic idea for identifying each crow from a distance as well close up.
This study was brilliant! A grand vision with years of great work, I’m grateful for this fabulous knowledge we can all share. Thank you! -
I’m very relieved to hear that the baby crows can be handled by scientists to be studied and still be accepted back by their mothers. Is this just true for a few species or is that a myth?
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ElizabethBird AcademyIt is a myth that bird parents will abandon their babies if humans handle them. Most birds do not have a good sense of smell. Scientists are able to handle and study young birds without issues.
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I worried they were stressing the crows out by capturing them, but the fact that they know so much about the crows is amazing.
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how long they lived was very surprising to me.
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I think it is amazing to be able to research individual crows in detail, to be able to see their relationships, breeding patters, and life events. I also found it interesting that the use of wing tags allows for the researchers to identify crows easily from a much greater distance.
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I was surprised to learn that the most accurate way to determine the sex of the bird is by blood samples.
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How young they took the crows to mark them for identification
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I didn't realize younger crows have blue eyes that turn brown as they age. Stunningly beautiful!
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The use of the wing tags for identification from a distance makes perfect sense. I was surprised that the tags were so durable and lasted so long, along with leg bands. I didn't realize before how long a crow actually lives, so it makes sense that these identification tools would have to last as long, or nearly as long, too.
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Longevity of crows
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