• Bird Academy
      Bird Academy
      What was most interesting or surprising to you about the crow research team’s methods?
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    • Elizabeth
      Bird Academy
      Here is some additional information from Dr. McGowan about tagging crows: “Don't the tags and bands hurt the birds? No. They are designed to be as innocuous as possible. Birds' "hands" are connected to their shoulders by a flap of skin (called a propatagium or simply patagium) that makes up the front edge of the wing. The flap is relatively thin, contains no muscle and only a few blood vessels. The tags are attached by a small piece of nylon sticking through the patagium. The ends of the nylon pin are melted to hold the tag on (with washers in place to decrease abrasion on both sides of the wing), and the tag sits on top of the wing. The tag does not interfere with any movement and does not pinch or rub any skin. Crows often preen the tags into place just like a feather. When I pierce the patagium to attach a tag the crow usually does not even flinch. They get more agitated when I measure their tail than when I stick in the pins.   Such obvious markers seem like they must increase the likelihood that predators will attack the crows or that other crows will shun them, don't they? To the best of my ability to detect it though, neither thing appears to be true. Unfortunately I cannot make direct comparisons on the survival of tagged and untagged crows because survival cannot be determined without marked individuals! I can say, however, that survival of tagged crows is extremely high. Fully half of all young crows that I mark in the nest are alive one year later. That may seem like a low survival rate, but in fact it is one of the highest known for birds! Breeder survival is on the order of 93% per year, again an incredibly high survival rate for birds.  (See McGowan 2001 for published survival rates.)   Crows with tags do not appear to be at any disadvantage in relations with other crows either. Again, it is impossible to have comparison data on unmarked crows, but tagged crows are accepted perfectly fine into their family units. They do not seem to be more involved than unmarked crows in fights and chases in big flocks (either as the pursuer or pursuee). And, they DO successfully compete for breeding spots. I have had over 75 tagged individuals successfully become breeders in my study.   No scientist manipulates their study subjects in any way without a great deal of thought and concern. Every researcher at a public institution in this country must have their proposed protocol approved by their Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (my approved protocol number at Cornell is 88-210-04). But quite apart from the regulations and laws, good science requires that animals under study are interfered with as little as possible. And that is on top of the personal ethical decisions that each researcher must make about their comfort level with any action taken (or not). In my study I am interested in keeping the crows alive and visible, and if I knew that anything I was doing adversely affected the birds I would stop. I am fortunate to be able to state that the colleague who taught me the marking technique I use is very active in the Humane Society and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Although I made my own evaluations, it seemed to me that her standards were likely to have been even more stringent than my own. I reasoned that if she was happy with the technique, then I probably would be too. And I have been.”
    • Jacqueline
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      First, I found it amazing that you and your team could locate the crow nests each year. Interesting that the crow’s nests were always at the tippy top of the trees and that you would climb up and could retrieve the babies to tag them. Using different size tags was a fantastic idea for identifying each crow from a distance as well close up. This study was brilliant! A grand vision with years of great work, I’m grateful for this fabulous knowledge we can all share. Thank you!
    • Tara
      Participant
      Chirps: 8
      I’m very relieved to hear that the baby crows can be handled by scientists to be studied and still be accepted back by their mothers. Is this just true for a few species or is that a myth?
      • Elizabeth
        Bird Academy
        It is a myth that bird parents will abandon their babies if humans handle them. Most birds do not have a good sense of smell. Scientists are able to handle and study young birds without issues.
    • deb
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      I worried they were stressing the crows out by capturing them, but the fact that they know so much about the crows is amazing.
    • rohan
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      how long they lived was very surprising to me.
    • Lindsey
      Participant
      Chirps: 6
      I think it is amazing to be able to research individual crows in detail, to be able to see their relationships, breeding patters, and life events. I also found it interesting that the use of wing tags allows for the researchers to identify crows easily from a much greater distance.
    • Steph
      Participant
      Chirps: 8
      I was surprised to learn that the most accurate way to determine the sex of the bird is by blood samples.
    • Alleyne
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      How young they took the crows to mark them for identification
    • Jenn
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      I didn't realize younger crows have blue eyes that turn brown as they age. Stunningly beautiful!
    • Rosemary
      Participant
      Chirps: 20
      The use of the wing tags for identification from a distance makes perfect sense.  I was surprised that the tags were so durable and lasted so long, along with leg bands.  I didn't realize before how long a crow actually lives, so it makes sense that these identification tools would have to last as long, or nearly as long, too.
    • Student Birder
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      Longevity of crows
    • Francesca
      Participant
      Chirps: 6
      I was surprised to learn that the tags stay on the crows for so many years.
    • Debbie
      Participant
      Chirps: 32
      I found it interesting that the crows do not use their nests from one year to the next.  I also found it interesting that the birds had so many bands and tags on them.
    • Bambi
      Participant
      Chirps: 2
      The continuous monitoring of the baby crows.
    • Karen
      Participant
      Chirps: 19
      I was surprised that the baby crows were be handled at such a young age.  I guess it makes sense to  identify them while they are still in the nest if they are going to be followed for their lifespan.
    • Gabriel
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      Crows living up to 19 years in the wild & the big colored tags put on them. I wonder if the tags affect them in some way. I imagine it would be easier for prey to notice them with their colored tags.
    • Deborah
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      Monitoring the individuals into old age.  Fascinating
    • John
      Participant
      Chirps: 9
      This is less about the methodology and more about the results:  the age of crows, especially here in New York.  I had heard that they lived beyond ten, but not that they lived well into their teens.  To be an older teen and still productive is pretty amazing as well.  The multiple banding makes sense, as many animals wear out/break tags in farming.  So it isn't surprising that each method has its limitations.
    • Larry
      Participant
      Chirps: 6
      I loved learning about and seeing crows' nests.  The process and success of identifying crows was surprising and very clever.
    • Elisabeth
      Participant
      Chirps: 6
      Fascinating process!  Wonder if you ever have opportunities for interested members of the public to observe and/or assist?!
    • MaryBeth
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      efforts to assess and monitor as individuals. did not realize that crows lived that long or that they are born w blue eyes
    • Mike
      Participant
      Chirps: 7
      I was surprised at how in depth the crows are identified, marked and followed during their life cycle.  The longevity of crows was surprising given how tough living in the wild must be.
    • I found the tag half-life information really interesting! I knew birds were banded/tagged with multiple IDs, but I always wondered how long the tags lasted. Is there any evidence that the birds (or other animals) eat the tags after they fall off? The colorful plastic bands remind me of the Pacific Ocean garbage patch and the unfortunate number of birds who eat or feed their chicks the caps and other debris thinking it's fish.
    • Michelle
      Participant
      Chirps: 1
      This isn't an answer to the above question, but I wonder why crows don't reuse their nests in upstate New York? I've had the privilege of getting to know my backyard crows (in Red Deer Alberta, Canada) for the last 15 years. I feed them and they sometimes leave "sparkly treasures" for me :) I noticed one of the crows is getting white feathers on it's left wing like JG in the study so I assume it is age related.